ATTN: Proud southerners

[BillR [JU]]

Yes your right to own other human beings is definitely a "good cause"

The right to control our own destiny, a noble cause by any stretch. The Revolutionary War was fought for the same reason. Some things are worth fighting for, even if you lose.

 

[BillR [JU]]

The Southerners joy in killing many Northerners is really akin to Off A Cough being proud his colts had a near perfect season. They still got their ass handed to them and went home tail between the legs when it mattered, and they still remain the laughingstock.

Interesting analogy! :shades:

 

[chevtech [JU]]

The right to control our own destiny, a noble cause by any stretch. The Revolutionary War was fought for the same reason. Some things are worth fighting for, even if you lose.

So basically your saying that you believe that slavery was and is OK and mankind has no responsibility to one another in keeping each other free?

 

[Josh [JU]]

The right to control our own destiny, a noble cause by any stretch. The Revolutionary War was fought for the same reason. Some things are worth fighting for, even if you lose.

The revolutionary war analogy only works from the side of the Northerners. In 1776, we had to fight for our freedom from England.

In the early 1860s, we had to fight for the freedoms of those enslaved people who could not fight for their own freedom.

 

[BillR [JU]]

So basically your saying that you believe that slavery was and is OK and mankind has no responsibility to one another in keeping each other free?

Slavery had been going on in the world for thousands of years, and was on it's way out in this country BEFORE the War even started. History clearly states that even Robert E. Lee was against slavery, but cared more about standing up for his native state. THAT was worth fighting for.
JUST READ the history books. If you research it, you'll find that slavery was NOT the major cause of the War.

 

[Josh [JU]]

History clearly states that even Robert E. Lee was against slavery, but cared more about standing up for his native state. THAT was worth fighting for.

No one disputes this. But, if this were true:

Slavery had been going on in the world for thousands of years, and was on it's way out in this country BEFORE the War even started.

Why did so many southerners feel the need to stand up and protect their "right" to own a human? If they didn't have this "right" they were so concerned with, perhaps bobby lee himself might not have felt the need to protect his state's imminent doom.

 

[BillR [JU]]

The revolutionary war analogy only works from the side of the Northerners. In 1776, we had to fight for our freedom from England.

In the early 1860s, we had to fight for the freedoms of those enslaved people who could not fight for their own freedom.

Good try at taking the high road, but no dice. The South wanted to be seperate from the Union to control their own destiny, (sound familar so far?) and chose to fight for that right. We lost, which is a different result from The Revolution.

 

[Josh [JU]]

Good try at taking the high road, but no dice. The South wanted to be seperate from the Union to control their own destiny, (sound familar so far?) and chose to fight for that right. We lost, which is a different result from The Revolution.

Doesn't sound familiar.

The "rebels" in the revolutionary war were fighting for a just cause.

The "rebels" in the War of Southern Racism were fighting for evil not unlike the nazis.

 

[BillR [JU]]

Doesn't sound familiar.

The "rebels" in the revolutionary war were fighting for a just cause.

Just cause for who? I'm sure England didn't think so... (just playing devil's advocate there)
OK, you think the war was ALL about slavery, and I've shown the real facts. I'm about argued out tonight.
Have a good one!

 

[Josh [JU]]

Just cause for who? I'm sure England didn't think so... (just playing devil's advocate there)
OK, you think the war was ALL about slavery, and I've shown the real facts. I'm about argued out tonight.
Have a good one!

England probably didn't, but all men should be free. Including your slaves.

I don't think it was all about slavery, but I think all southern rationalizations and justifications boil down to slavery.

Truth be told, I'm a HUGE supporter of states' rights. But not when states want to stray so far away from human rights.

 

[DILLINGER [JU]]

So basically your saying that you believe that slavery was and is OK and mankind has no responsibility to one another in keeping each other free?

Basically, you're too fuggin stupid to release your fables about the war even being about slavery.
Where do the words Slavery and Okay occur in his statement, turd?
Jeeezzzz... and they let you walk around without an escort.

 

[chevtech [JU]]

Basically, you're too fuggin stupid to release your fables about the war even being about slavery.
Where do the words Slavery and Okay occur in his statement, turd?
Jeeezzzz... and they let you walk around without an escort.

Go tend to your fleet of vehicles dill-hole.


You ain't got time for this.

 

[Josh [JU]]

Basically, you're too fuggin stupid to release your fables about the war even being about slavery.
Where do the words Slavery and Okay occur in his statement, turd?
Jeeezzzz... and they let you walk around without an escort.

Pray tell, what other "rights" did these states so desperately want?

(And don't start with teh tariffs business again, we already debunked that to = slavery).

 

[DILLINGER [JU]]

No one disputes this. But, if this were true:



Why did so many southerners feel the need to stand up and protect their "right" to own a human? If they didn't have this "right" they were so concerned with, perhaps bobby lee himself might not have felt the need to protect his state's imminent doom.

They weren't protecting their right to own another human being. Pay attention to what has been offered fifty times in the thread.
They were upset about laws and favor going to the northern states. The northern and southern states products were entirely different animals. North mostly factories and industrialized, and the south was mostly livestock and produce (that's vegetables and fruits to you northerners). One set of laws did not cover all aspects fairly. The south revolted and the rest is history, until the carpetbaggers rewrote an appropriate history to hide their obvious fault.

 

[Taggart [JU]]

They weren't protecting their right to own another human being.

Horsesh!t. You are one of the bainwashed masses.

 

[Josh [JU]]

They weren't protecting their right to own another human being. Pay attention to what has been offered fifty times in the thread.

Agreed with DHMeieio. What has been offered 50 times is excuses and rationalizations that have all been debunked down to racism. And the denial is ugly.


Carpetbaggers didn't write history, the victors did. Carpetbaggers merely kicked you while you were down.

 

[KoolBreeze [JU]]

England probably didn't, but all men should be free. Including your slaves.

I don't think it was all about slavery, but I think all southern rationalizations and justifications boil down to slavery.

Truth be told, I'm a HUGE supporter of states' rights. But not when states want to stray so far away from human rights.

well said.

 

[chevtech [JU]]

They weren't protecting their right to own another human being. Pay attention to what has been offered fifty times in the thread.
They were upset about laws and favor going to the northern states. The northern and southern states products were entirely different animals. North mostly factories and industrialized, and the south was mostly livestock and produce (that's vegetables and fruits to you northerners). One set of laws did not cover all aspects fairly. The south revolted and the rest is history, until the carpetbaggers rewrote an appropriate history to hide their obvious fault.

Uh yeah......OK

From South Carolina's succession convention:

Experience has proved that slave-holding States can not be safe in subjection to non-slaveholding States. Indeed, no people ever expect to preserve their rights and liberties unless they are in their own custody. To plunder and oppress where plunder and oppression can be practiced with impunity, seems to be the natural order of things. The fairest portions of the world have been turned into wildernesses, and the most civilized and prosperous communities have been impoverished and ruined by Anti-Slavery fanaticism.

The self-contradictions within that quote are awesome!!!!


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[DILLINGER [JU]]

Pray tell, what other "rights" did these states so desperately want?

(And don't start with teh tariffs business again, we already debunked that to = slavery).

You didn't debunk ****. You danced around it, dismissed it as unimportant, when the fact is..tarriffs were the singlemost formidable reason for the seccession.
Hey, you may not like your car taxes, but you still pay them, right?

Understand that these were "real" men back then and they decided they had just about had enough of this ****, and when you came down to enforce the tarriffs, they attacked.
Lincoln stepped in and shut all government down, took complete control and pulled the country back together. Today, they'd say he overstepped his boundaries and he should have been impeached.
Liberal wingbats are funny like that. Always suits them, but they'd hang somebody else for exactly the same thing.

 

[chevtech [JU]]

You didn't debunk ****. You danced around it, dismissed it as unimportant, when the fact is..tarriffs were the singlemost formidable reason for the seccession.
Hey, you may not like your car taxes, but you still pay them, right?

Understand that these were "real" men back then and they decided they had just about had enough of this ****, and when you came down to enforce the tarriffs, they attacked.
Lincoln stepped in and shut all government down, took complete control and pulled the country back together. Today, they'd say he overstepped his boundaries and he should have been impeached.
Liberal wingbats are funny like that. Always suits them, but they'd hang somebody else for exactly the same thing.

:flagpole:





See my above post.