ATTN: Proud southerners

[Sportacus [JU]]

outnumbered sure, the reality was outsmarted.

No. Outnumbered is correct. Most of the Yankee soldiers came from the cities. and were lousy shots. The southerners were off the farms and grew up with guns. The south lost more from logistics and being outnumbered than being "outsmarted." Most historians consider Lee as being the better General. Lincoln wanted him to lead the federal troops but he declined since he'd have to fight against his home state Virginia. He was a top West Point graduate.
We beat Hitler not because we were better fighters but because we had good ones, more of them and better supplied and equipped. Same was the Uncivil war.

 

[KoolBreeze [JU]]

No. Outnumbered is correct. Most of the Yankee soldiers came from the cities. and were lousy shots. The southerners were off the farms and grew up with guns. The south lost more from logistics and being outnumbered than being "outsmarted." Most historians consider Lee as being the better General. Lincoln wanted him to lead the federal troops but he declined since he'd have to fight against his home state Virginia. He was a top West Point graduate.
We beat Hitler not because we were better fighters but because we had good ones, more of them and better supplied and equipped. Same was the Uncivil war.

outsmarted, plain and simple. the confederacy and nazi germany both.

justify it however you choose in your mind, but that simple fact remains...

that is if you consider the person who chops down a tree and has it fall on him in turn "outsmarted". either way... the tree fell and they were crushed. if you want to credit this to the iq of the tree or the person chopping it down, that's up to you.

 

[Sportacus [JU]]

outsmarted, plain and simple. the confederacy and nazi germany both.

justify it however you choose in your mind, but that simple fact remains...

that is if you consider the person who chops down a tree and has it fall on him in turn "outsmarted". either way... the tree fell and they were crushed. if you want to credit this to the iq of the tree or the person chopping it down, that's up to you.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[chevtech [JU]]

Racists??? LOL

The War of Northern Aggression WAS NOT about slavery or racism. Over 80% of the Southern fighters owned no slaves. In fact, slavery was first started in africa -- black owning black -- and then, it was the north that first legalized slavery, stateside. Massachusetts legalized slavery while still a colony. Slavery was legal in new jersey up until the start of the war. Ulysses S. Grant's wife owned slaves during the war.

Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist. Here is a direct quote that Lincoln made during a debate...



Lincoln was against slavery because he wanted to have separation from the blacks...



In the north, white laborers refused to work with black people, but in the south, white and black worked side-by-side. Connecticut refused to educate blacks because they didn't want them to be equal to whites. New Jersey prohibited blacks from settling there, unless they were slaves. The punishment for a black staying in Mass. for longer than two months was public flogging. Indiana, Illinois, and Oregon wouldn't even allow blacks into their states.

At one point, the states all came together and formed a union. Just as they had the right to join the union, they had the right to secede from that union. The north had been economically oppressive to the south, and once Lincoln was elected, the south believed that their economy would only get worse. Hence, the southern states decided to exercise their right to secede (a right granted in the Declaration of Independence), but the north wouldn't hear of it, so they invaded the south, thereby forcing the south into a war. The north had NO right to attack the south. The south seceded from the north just as america as a whole seceded from britain.

That is why we southerners are proud of our heritage. We took a stand against the unjustness of the north, and claimed our independence from the north in much the same way that america claimed it's independence from the brits. If you are proud to be an american, then you should understand why we are proud to be southerners. If you are not proud to be an american, then i feel sorry for you.

If what you state in relation to slavery is true surely you can provide information as to the underground railroad where Black people were secretly working their way South so they could escape the persecution of the North.



Simple point, please provide documentation to this effect or STFU.





I await your reply.

 

[zcubed [JU]]

If what you state in relation to slavery is true surely you can provide information as to the underground railroad where Black people were secretly working their way South so they could escape the persecution of the North.



Simple point, please provide documentation to this effect or STFU.





I await your reply.

Why don’t you STFU and prepare to be educated…

The underground railroad doesn’t have a ****ing thing to do with this thread. No one said that slavery didn’t exist in the south. No one said that slaves were happy to be slaves. No one said that slaves didn’t try to escape the oppression they faced. All the underground railroad was, was a system of people, both northerner and southerner, who were against slavery, so they provided aid to slaves who were trying to run from their masters. The railroad WAS NOT a free pass for slaves to settle in northern states. In fact, if a southern slave was caught in a northern state, then he was arrested. The railroad was started to help slaves make it to canada where they truly could be free. If you want documentation, go google it.

 

[chevtech [JU]]

Why don’t you STFU and prepare to be educated…

The underground railroad doesn’t have a fcking thing to do with this thread. No one said that slavery didn’t exist in the south. No one said that slaves were happy to be slaves. No one said that slaves didn’t try to escape the oppression they faced. All the underground railroad was, was a system of people, both northerner and southerner, who were against slavery, so they provided aid to slaves who were trying to run from their masters. The railroad WAS NOT a free pass for slaves to settle in northern states. In fact, if a southern slave was caught in a northern state, then he was arrested. The railroad was started to help slaves make it to canada where they truly could be free. If you want documentation, go google it.

But you implied that the North was just as bad as the South in relation to Slavery making several quotes. In fact without quoting you I believe your words were that in the south blacks and whites worked side by side. Implying an obvious equality (yeah right). Was there no dierence in the treatment of Blacks in the south comparatively or was there? BTW the underground railroad did not originally go to Canada only when the Fugitive Slavery Law was passed to appease the South did they then start moving into Canada.


Come now, lets make you define what you actually mean when you make broad implications as to the rights of Blacks in the south versus the North. Was it the same or not?

 

[chevtech [JU]]

Racists??? LOL

The War of Northern Aggression WAS NOT about slavery or racism. Over 80% of the Southern fighters owned no slaves. In fact, slavery was first started in africa -- black owning black -- and then, it was the north that first legalized slavery, stateside. Massachusetts legalized slavery while still a colony. Slavery was legal in new jersey up until the start of the war. Ulysses S. Grant's wife owned slaves during the war.

Oh and BTW if you think slavery had nothing to do with the South wanting to succeede you really do need an education. Some light reading for my inbred Southern cousin from South Carolina's succession convention.

It cannot be believed that our ancestors would have assented to any union whatever with the people of the North if the feelings and opinions now existing among them had existed when the Constitution was framed. There was then no tariff -- no negro fanaticism. It was the delegates from New England who proposed in the Convention which framed the Constitution, to the delegates from South Carolina and Georgia, that if they would agree to give Congress the power of regulating commerce by a majority, that they would support the extension of the African slave-trade for twenty years. African Slavery existed in all the States but one. The idea that they would be made to pay that tribute to their Northern confederates which they had refused to pay to Great Britain, or that the institution of African Slavery would be made the grand basis of a sectional organization of the North to rule the South, never crossed their imaginations. The Union of the Constitution was a Union of slaveholding States. It rests on Slavery, by prescribing a representation in Congress for three-fifths of our slaves. There is nothing in the proceedings of the Convention which framed the Constitution to show that the Southern States would have formed any other union; and still less that they would have formed a union with more powerful non-slaveholding States, having a majority in both branches of the Legislature of the Government. They were guilty of no such folly. Time and the progress of things have totally altered the relations between the Northern and Southern States since the Union was first established. That identity of feeling, interests, and institutions which once existed is gone. They are now divided between agricultural and manufacturing and commercial States -- between slaveholding and non-slaveholding States. Their institutions and industrial pursuits have made them totally different peoples. That equality in the Government between the two sections of the Union which once existed, no longer exists. We but imitate the policy of our fathers in dissolving a union with non-slaveholding confederates, and seeking a confederation with slave-holding States.

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/rhett.html





You just keep on believing Racism/Slavery had nothing to do with the war.

 

[DILLINGER [JU]]

Why don’t you STFU and prepare to be educated…

The underground railroad doesn’t have a fcking thing to do with this thread. No one said that slavery didn’t exist in the south. No one said that slaves were happy to be slaves. No one said that slaves didn’t try to escape the oppression they faced. All the underground railroad was, was a system of people, both northerner and southerner, who were against slavery, so they provided aid to slaves who were trying to run from their masters. The railroad WAS NOT a free pass for slaves to settle in northern states. In fact, if a southern slave was caught in a northern state, then he was arrested. The railroad was started to help slaves make it to canada where they truly could be free. If you want documentation, go google it.

Give it a rest. Some simpletons just have the need to hang on to what some northerner wrote in a history book years ago, in spite of the fact that it is historically inacurate and overly simplified to one reason because the vast majority of carpetbaggers aren't really intellectually deep.

 

[Sportacus [JU]]

Oh and BTW if you think slavery had nothing to do with the South wanting to succeede you really do need an education. Some light reading for my inbred Southern cousin from South Carolina's succession convention.

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/rhett.html
You just keep on believing Racism/Slavery had nothing to do with the war.

If the war was just over slavery why did Lincoln wait til he had it won to write the "Emacipation Proclamation?"

Slavery didn't become a bad thing in the north until the "Down East" slave shippers couldn't sell any more slaves profitably. The south was raising their own. Why buy a "wild" slave when they have home raised "conditioned" ones.
Lincoln wanted to save the union. If he could have kept slavery and saved the union he would have done it and said so.

 

[Atl XJ [JU]]

Haha, carpet baggers. I havent heard that term in years.

 

[chevtech [JU]]

If the war was just over slavery why did Lincoln wait til he had it won to write the "Emacipation Proclamation?"

Slavery didn't become a bad thing in the north until the "Down East" slave shippers couldn't sell any more slaves profitably. The south was raising their own. Why buy a "wild" slave when they have home raised "conditioned" ones.
Lincoln wanted to save the union. If he could have kept slavery and saved the union he would have done it and said so.

Didn't say that it was just about slavery. Zcubed just said:

Racists??? LOL

The War of Northern Aggression WAS NOT about slavery or racism.

That notion is ridiculous as it was written as one of the main reasons to succeed by the Southern States.

 

[KoolBreeze [JU]]

If the war was just over slavery why did Lincoln wait til he had it won to write the "Emacipation Proclamation?"

Slavery didn't become a bad thing in the north until the "Down East" slave shippers couldn't sell any more slaves profitably. The south was raising their own. Why buy a "wild" slave when they have home raised "conditioned" ones.
Lincoln wanted to save the union. If he could have kept slavery and saved the union he would have done it and said so.

link to quote on his "saying so"?

 

[Sportacus [JU]]

link to quote on his "saying so"?

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

You can find the rest of it in Wikipedia where this came from.

 

[Josh [JU]]

HAHA!!!

I didn't expect much from this thread, but it sure picked up steam from teh whining losers.

 

[Atl XJ [JU]]

HAHA!!!

I didn't expect much from this thread, but it sure picked up steam from teh whining losers.

I think you should get banned again for trolling.

 

[KoolBreeze [JU]]

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

You can find the rest of it in Wikipedia where this came from.

excellent. the actual manner you initially mentioned this particularity could've easily been construed as his not desiring the slaves to be free, which indeed was something he desired.

 

[Josh [JU]]

I think you should get banned again for trolling.

Why? I'm dead serious.

Proud Southerners are hillbilly racists who proclaim the fact they continue to get their asses handed to them.



Jump down, turn around....

 

[Atl XJ [JU]]

Its heritage, not hate!

 

[Josh [JU]]

Its heritage, not hate!

 

[chevtech [JU]]

Sport,

Did you miss the last part?

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

You can find the rest of it in Wikipedia where this came from.

Edit: Though I see where you are coming from I think the way you put it was misconstrued.